Predicting when Welsh rugby has actually hit rock bottom has become quite difficult recently.
Each time we think a new low has been reached in the past couple of years, yet another depth is plumbed.
Saturday’s 73-0 record home humiliation against world champions South Africa is Wales’ latest low point.
Sitting in the Principality Stadium in March listening to England performing their victory song after inflicting a record 68-14 home defeat on their hosts, one Welsh rugby expert asked “it can’t get worse than this, can it?”
It turns out it can.
Eight months on from the England embarrassment, it was the Springboks squad belting out their celebration tune on an autumnal Saturday night in Cardiff.
This 11-try demolition was the second worst defeat in Welsh rugby history after the 96-13 hammering dished out by the Springboks in Pretoria in 1998.
So where can Welsh rugby go from here?